Messianic Judaism Quest

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• 1 sc // Jun 18, 2008 at 9:32 pm

  there is just 1 body of believers, not a messianic community and a gentile church.

• 2 admin // Jun 18, 2008 at 9:35 pm

  In the end, history does not lie. The “Gentile” church is not concerned or connected with either the wellfare of Jews, Torah, or Israel.

• 3 admin // Jun 18, 2008 at 9:36 pm

  Furthermore the historic anti-Semitism and inherent supercessionism of the “Gentile” church renders your assertion nothing more than theoretical.

• 4 admin // Jun 18, 2008 at 9:45 pm

  The theological differences between the Judaism of Jews who affirm the messianic claims of Yeshua versus the markedly different theological perspectives of most Christians should be clear. This is not to say that Christians are necessarily wrong, nor does it necessarily imply that Christians are right either. We should simply understand that there are clear points of differentiation between Judaism and Christianity. The problem of most Christians and Messianics is that they assume that trust in Yeshua by default implies an affirmation of Christianity.

• 5 slevi // Jun 19, 2008 at 7:51 pm

  In the end, history does not lie. The “Gentile” church is not concerned or connected with either the wellfare of Jews, Torah, or Israel.

  I am curious to know, in your opinion, why the fundamentalist Christian right is so concerned with Israel.

  Do you view this as a reaction to the holocaust, something devious, eschatology, reaction against militant Islam etc?

• 6 Jacob // Jun 19, 2008 at 8:01 pm

  Evangelical Christians supportive of Israel do so largely based upon their eschatological views. At this point, I am happy someone supports Israel, but I think its important to be able to differentiate the basis for such support. To argue that an positive yet ethereal notion of Israel translates into a positive of Judaism is incorrect. Evangelicals remain firmly negative on the validity of Judaism and hence without wanting to, on the validity of Jewish identity. They are concerned at most with the Jewish background of the Gospel and in contrast to a “Judaism at the forefront” approach. In this sense, the Catholic Church, at least on paper has made major strides which again at least on paper recognize the legitimacy of Judaism and Jewish identity.

• 7 Daniel // Jun 20, 2008 at 2:04 pm

  One example of this disregard is how most missionary groups focused on Jewish evangelism, even the ones led by Jews, have to attack Judaism, Torah and Israel to make their points.

  Jewish identity as it is expressed in tradition, observance and the leadership of Rabbis is always downgraded and mocked.

  Instead of focusing on Teshuva (repentence) and Kedusha (holiness) like Yeshua did. They bring judgement to the Chosen People for rejecting Christianity and the Torah-less Messiah that has been potraid to them.

• 8 slevi // Jun 20, 2008 at 7:12 pm

  While I am a bit suprised at your comments that the support of Israel is largely based on eschatological views, I would tend to agree that most Christians do not view a Judaism based on Torah and Halakha as legitimate.

  I believe part of this reasoning is Sola Scriptura of many non Catholic variations within Christianity. I also believe very few Christians have an understanding as covenants, or at least them being eternal.

  As for support for Israel, I personally have observed quite a variety of motivations for this and do not see any of them as being not genuine.

  As far as I can tell, those motivated purely out of eschatological views make up the very far right. If I had to choose between that and the more liberal christian denominations such as the one who pulled their investments out of Israel, I would prefer that most christians be very far right…

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